My Woe-Is-Me-I-Don’t-Belong-In-The-Traditional-Or-Whatever-You-Call-It-Church Rant

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Well, woe is me.

Or maybe not.

Apparently, I don’t belong within any traditional church denominational-organizational-thing anymore. What’s a bit weird is that, looking back, I never did.

I just didn’t know it.

I was raised a Pentecostal. But, brothers and sisters, you’ve gotten too weird for me. Some of you are word of faith people. Some of you are prosperity people. Some of you are bring-the-kingdom-of-God-by-your-own-efforts people, taking dominion over the media, retail, banks, entertainment, and so forth. Some of you believe, somehow, that glory sprinkles, gold, and feathers falling on your meetings are biblical. Some of you go about declaring this and that into the air and pronouncing that you are thereby taking control of the spiritual atmosphere. Some of you think that causing people to fall down is a legitimate ministry.

None of this is biblical, brothers and sisters.

And evangelicals with the growth, seeker-sensitive movement, with following dynamic and gifted speakers. With those speakers quoting Scripture passages out of context. With top-down, hierarchical leadership. With enormous need for money. With denial in your fellowship of the use of gifts, given by God Himself, for “the common good” of believers, which only weakens believers and results in astonishing biblical illiteracy:

“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. (1 Corinthians 12:4–11).1

“For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness” (Romans 12:4–8).

“And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Ephesians 5:18–21).

The reality of these passages, tragically, mean nothing to evangelical leaders.

I think I know your response already. “We don’t do that here. You should look elsewhere.”

And those such as I are criticized with the same, lame accusation, repeatedly:

“If you’re looking for a perfect church, it won’t be perfect the moment you step through the door.”

No, I’m looking for a group of believers, elders, and pastors who do not deny that those three passages above should exist in church reality.

And for the rest of the traditional churches who don’t believe there are some of the gifts anymore, except the ones you choose, which will likely be leading, teaching, and pastoring—oh, and service and generosity, of course—no. Who don’t believe that God speaks to people anymore except through the Bible. Those that believe that those gifts died when “that which is perfect” came, which, to your way of thinking was the Bible, no.

And, sorry Catholics. I will not pray to Mary, a dead woman, although, yes, she was the mother of Jesus, finally became a believer and, yes, should be respected. And I do not and will not accept the pope as the leader of the Church on earth, the spiritual descendant of Peter.

So, where does that leave me? I know, I know. Some of you are just itching to tell me that the Bible tells us that we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Well, it’s not like I haven’t tried. In fact, I’m trying now, in a little Pentecostal church, the leader of which has not bought into the “I-gotta-be-a-great-leader-in-a-big-church,” so we can fulfill our visions-and-dreams-and-thereby-change-the-world nonsense. Before we go to this gathering, my wife and I meet over coffee to discuss biblical passages. I must tell you that such little meetings throughout the years have offered more depth and insight than ten times as many meetings where one guy alone usually talks, quoting Scripture out of context.

What shall I leave the reader with here? I know you’re going to stay in your church, regardless of what I write. One thing, then. The next time your pastor refers to a few verses in his message, open your Bible and read those verses in context. If you do that, you’ll possibly be taking the first steps toward understanding how much you have been duped. Second, consider the scripture passages above and ask, “Why doesn’t my church do these things?” The answers to that question will be topsy-turvy enlightening, I guarantee you.

 

1The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

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  1. Aren’t the ‘in the background people ‘ doing all the Jesus things like being there, encouraging, helping each other and in the home groups sharring, teaching each other and in the volunteer groups serving and helping the community and so on and so on… The ones spending time alone with Jesus and loving on him and his word… Isn’t this the Church -no matter what denomination we were culturally brought up in or drawn to by its outward appearance? This is the Church that I think Jesus loves

    1. Faye, yes, I believe there is a remnant of believers in all denominations (possibly), who have remained true Jesus/God followers, all throughout the history, well, of the world. Including missionaries. :–) We just rarely hear of them because they are not “significant” or “famous” and may not be part of a religious system.

  2. Most in the “Bible-believing Evangelical Church’ are not really following Jesus – they are following Paul. No, it’s not the same thing.

    Poem – Looking forward (Rocky)

    Jesus never calls us out
    For what we used to be.
    His voice is so much greater
    Than paul the Pharisee.

    “You are Simon son of John”
    Said Jesus, without elaboration.
    No mention of a cloudy past
    No hint of condemnation.

    No accusation against the brothers
    No comments dark and obscure,
    Writing to the Church in Corinth
    “that is what some of you were.”

    Not the voice of the accuser,
    Boss Paul the Pharisee,
    Telling the redeemed people of God
    About what they used to be.

    Jesus never said right is wrong,
    He never said wrong is right.
    He came so we can turn from darkness
    And into His glorious light.

    “Neither do I condemn you” said Jesus,
    To a woman entrapped by dogs.
    The game the dogs play is the same today,
    Except now they do it on blogs.

    “Go, and sin no more” said Jesus,
    Don’t relive that history.
    Look forward, not back, don’t dwell on your past.
    “You will be called” Rocky.

    Looking forward – Chapter 2

    “I am he who searches hearts and minds”
    says the Risen Jesus Christ
    “Repent and do what you did at first”
    Don’t be lazy since He paid the price

    Yes, Jesus sees our sins today
    Don’t think that He is blind
    But the words of paul the Pharisee
    Will put you in a bind

    Jesus washed away your sins
    Don’t listen to paul the accuser
    paul abandoned the Church in Corinth
    And then paul became an abuser

    When you put your trust in Jesus
    Yes, your stains were white as snow
    You didn’t need to wear a Scarlet Letter
    Everywhere you go

    “I will repay each of you
    According to your deeds”
    This is Jesus speaking to The Church
    Not a business selling felt needs

    For “those who claim to be apostles”
    Jesus said they must be “tested”
    Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos
    Persevered and were not bested

    They exposed the false teachings
    Of paul the Pharisee
    So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul
    And had a chance to be free

    Bibliography
    All quotes in “Chapter 2” are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2

    1. Matthew, is it Paul’s letters you reject or the evangelical church’s understanding of what Paul wrote?

      1. Anyone who contradicts the clear teachings of Jesus
        (speaking in complete consecutive sentences, twice, in context),
        should be rejected – wouldn’t you agree?

        See Paul’s teachings in Galatians 5:14 and Romans 13:8-10
        and compare them with the teachings of Jesus.

        Jesus was asked twice which Commandment is the greatest or most important one, (Matthew 22 and Mark 12)
        Both times Jesus answered quoting the same two commandments, from the Law of Moses.

        Jesus said that one of these two commandments is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

        “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “ is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ [Mark 12:29-30, Deuteronomy 6:4-5]

        Jesus replied: “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.” [Matthew 22:37-38, Deuteronomy 6:5]

        Poem – What is love?

        Two men came to Jesus
        With different motivations.
        They asked Him the same question
        Relevant to all the nations:

        Which is the Most Important?
        The answer was the same.
        Jesus did not manipulate
        He was not there to play a game.

        “Love the Lord your God” said Jesus
        as He quoted from The Law –
        to fulfill and not abolish
        was His purpose, full of awe.

        Jesus did not make all Scripture
        Into one new great commandment.
        He summarized The Law and Prophets
        “First and Greatest” and “The Second.”

        The Love of God is higher
        Than the love of any man.
        Receive from God, give back to God-
        Then to others, that’s His plan.

        The Love of God involves much more
        Than simply “love your fellow man.”
        Worship, trust, and pray to God,
        and obey Him – that’s His plan

        To worship and pray to neighbors,
        Whoever they may be,
        Or trust and obey our enemies
        Would be idolatry.

        The love of God is first and greatest,
        And the love of man is second.
        “All we need is love” are words
        of dead Beetles on the pavement.

        “The entire law is summed up in a single command”
        are not the words of Jesus our Salvation.
        It’s false teaching of Paul the Pharisee
        an “accuser of our brethren.”

        “Love” without God is Satan’s word through Paul
        in his chapter to the Corinthians.
        “I will show you the most excellent way”
        is the road to eternal perdition.

        Where is God in Paul’s chapter on love?
        Nowhere in view of the eye.
        Paul sings about himself like a Mexican Mariachi
        “I, I, I, I.”

        Jesus is The Most Excellent Way
        Not the words of a Pharisee.
        The words of Jesus are very clear.
        Jesus said, “You must follow ME.”

  3. Jesus SHOULD be …..

    The Star of The Show

    Jesus calls us to Himself
    When The Show begins
    We’re infants – so He humors us
    It’s “Rocky and His Friends”

    Like a little squirrel dressed up
    As a flying superhero
    We give ourselves The Title
    And zoom around the atmosphere Oh!

    I have come to save the day!
    We proclaim with a big smile
    And Jesus is my co-pilot
    So I’m always on top of the pile

    God our Father loves his children
    He is patient as we grow
    So we take another step
    It’s “The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show”

    As we journey with The Moose
    Faithfully by our side
    We get a revelation
    We have to swallow our pride

    “He must become greater”
    He really is The Star
    “I must become less,” but still
    With Him I’ll travel far

    “You must follow me,” says Jesus
    In His eyes I see a twinkle
    He is not MY friend I am HIS
    Jesus is The Star – like Bullwinkle

    1. I think I understand from your reply that you reject the writings of Paul in the NT. What, then, shall we do with what Peter said?:
      “Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures” (2 Peter 3:14–16).

      1. Dear Beloved Brother JLThompson, Chosen Instrument of God,
        Good question!
        Well, we could start by reading the entire chapter 3 from beginning to end written by The Apostle Peter in his “Second Letter.” (not just 3 verses out of context.)

        The Apostle Peter’s passing comments about “beloved brother Paul” one time in 2 Peter 3:15 do not “elevate” Paul over others.
        On the contrary,
        The Apostle Peter’s reference to apostles in 3:2, and then use of the Greek word agapetoi throughout chapter 3, cut Paul down to size, and show that Paul has no special status or title as an apostle. Paul was simply “beloved,” just like everyone else the Apostle Peter was writing to.

        God loves everyone, both mature faithful believers and those who are immature and unfaithful – and God even loves the lost.

        (The NIV Bible translates the words differently, sort of “covering” for Paul to make it seem like Paul is the only “beloved” one, while the readers of Peter’s letter are simply “friends” – but that is faulty translation, as you can see from the below detail.)

        2 Peter 3:1 agapetoi beloved
        2 Peter 3:8 agapetoi beloved
        2 Peter 3:14 agapetoi beloved
        2 Peter 3:15 agapetos henon adelfos Paulos, beloved of us brother Paul
        2 Peter 3:17 agapetoi beloved

        Nor did Jesus ever say Paul was an “apostle”, in Acts 9 or anywhere else. Every true follower of Jesus is a “chosen instrument of God”, and so were King Saul and King Solomon.

        The underlying issue, is what IS “the Bible”. Do you believe that the following terms are basically synonymous, with no significant difference, practically and functionally speaking ??
        The Bible
        Scripture
        All Scripture
        Prophecy of Scripture
        Every word that comes from the mouth of God
        The Word of God / God’s Word
        The Words of God / God’s Words
        The voice of God
        The voice of the Father
        The voice of Jesus
        The voice of the Holy Spirit
        God speaking
        The Canon

        Do you think of this body of writings as one unified book, nothing more and nothing less than every word in the 66 Books of the Bible, equally, with no distinction among different levels of value, authority, priority, importance, or accuracy, since “It’s all God’s Word” ??

        Is that an accurate description of your current view?

    1. JLThomson,
      Great! Do you also agree that in many, probably most “Bible-believing Evangelical Christian Churches”, it’s the personality, experience, and voice of PAUL that is really “the star of the show” far more than Jesus?

      Parable of the House Painters

      A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. “Friend, I want to hire you and your team to paint my house and my garage. Paint the house first, and I’ll stay in the garage until you’re done. Then when the paint is dry, I’ll move back into the house, and you can paint the garage.”

      The painting contractor hired a new foreman named Paul, and gave him the homeowner’s instructions. (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as “Boss Paul.”) Paul called the team of painters together and told them:
      “Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. So get to work! Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. Then those who finished the garage can go help the others finish the house.”

      One worker objected: “But Boss Paul, those were not the owner’s instructions! We are supposed to paint the house first. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.”

      Paul replied: “I’m Boss, you work for me, and you do as I say. We are painters, and we paint. We don’t have time for debates about ‘which one is first’. We need to get to work applying that paint to the garage and house as quick as we can. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? The job is to paint the garage and house – what difference does it make ‘which one is first’”?

      “It makes a big difference to the owner,” the worker objected. To which Paul replied, “you’re fired.” Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house.

      When the homeowner returned in the evening, he was furious. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. The homeowner’s friend, the painting contractor, apologized, and explained:

      “I hired a new foreman named Paul, but that was a huge mistake. He ignored your instructions that I passed on to him. You don’t know him, and I’ve just barely met him.
      To be extremely polite, I could say that Paul ‘says some things which are difficult to understand.’ To be more direct, I could say Paul talks like an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex, proclaiming; ‘I am not under the law’ but yet making up his own laws as he goes along, that everyone else has to obey. Paul said: ‘I became your father…. therefore I urge you to imitate me,’ and ‘I have become all things to all men.’ Paul thinks he’s Boss, and doesn’t need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.”

      In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

  4. I agree that Paul should not be elevated above any other believer. Nor should any other Christian. This is one of the terrible errors in the current evangelical/charismatic/pentecostal church world in which we now find ourselves. I first discovered this truth in the first three chapters of 1 Corinthians, and it became obvious in other scriptures as well. In fact, three of the books that I’ve written address this very issue.

    1. When Paul wrote his two letters to the Church in Corinth,
      who was in charge of all aspects of the church, controlling and leading the church?
      We have more New Testament material written specifically about this church and it’s ministry than any other church. What was it’s leader’s name?

      1. Please tell me the name of the elder of the church at Corinth. I confess ignorance on this one. Whoever he was, he wasn’t doing a very good job.

      2. Jumbo the elephant is dancing the Tango all over the Living Room, trampling everyone in sight, tooting his own horn over and over…….

        The answer is so obvious that if it were a snake it would bite us. But, I confess that I graduated with a Masters Degree from Dallas Theological Seminary, and I never thought to ask or even think about his question. We agree, he wasn’t doing a very good job.

        Lets back up to Luke’s record in the Book of Acts…. Who was primarily responsible for founding the Church in Corinth? How long was he there? Why did he leave? Who did he appoint locally in Corinth to take over, since, according to Paul, twice, “an elder must be hospitable”? Can you be hospitable without being physically present?

      3. Well, Matthew (or is it Jumbo?), you’ve defeated me. I see no clear evidence who was the pastor at Corinth when Paul wrote his letter.

      4. If you want to get to the answer,
        Lets back up to Luke’s record in the Book of Acts…. and answer the questions of fact I posed in last paragraph of the last post about the record of the Church in Corinth……
        Acts 18:1- 19:10

  5. I agree that God loves everyone, and I agree that scriptures can be used in very erroneous ways when they are taken out of context–although it is not always erroneous to do so. Thus, I do not agree that 2 Peter 3:14–16 taken out of context changes Peter’ s meaning in any way that Peter regards Paul’s letters as legitimate. Matthew, your arguments confuse me. I understand that you think Paul made himself a “boss,” and falsely claimed he had a right to tell everyone what to do, but didn’t all the NT letter writers do that? As to your question about Deuteronomy 6:4-5 and Leviticus 19:18, the answer is that both are correct. As you know, Paul affirmed this law of love from Deuteronomy in Romans 13 and Galatians 5. Do you reject his affirmation as well?

    1. You said “..Peter regards Paul’s letters as legitimate..”….
      “legitimate” WHAT exactly?
      And Peter was specifically referring only to Paul’s comments regarding the end times as “wisdom”. Proverbs contains wisdom too, from carnal King Solomon – it isn’t the word of God, and never claims to me. It isn’t the Law, the Prophets, or words of Jesus.
      Peter didn’t affirm everything Paul wrote, everything Paul claimed about himself, everything Paul taught – and Peter made it clear in context that Paul was NOT an apostle.

      No, all the other NT writers DID NOT claim they had a right to tell everyone what to do. The job of True Apostles was to be faithful eyewitnesses, and record and deliver the message of Jesus – not their own message. Matthew Mark and John do that. (Mark acted as Scribe for Peter and other Apostles who were illiterate in their younger years….)

      Regarding Deuteronomy 6:4-5 and Leviticus 19:18,
      Jesus said one of these two commandments is “first and greatest” and “most important”
      while the other commandment is
      “the second.”

      Which one is the most important one? Jesus didn’t give us one new “law of love” that was the false teaching of Paul.

      1. Since we’re both doing this on Saturday, I assume we’re both kinda losers, right? :–) Peter regarded Paul’s writing as legitimate as Scripture, Matthew. “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES” (2 Peter 3:16 emphasis added). You’re right that the other NT writers did not claim the right to tell everyone what to do, I suppose, but they did tell other people what to do, didn’t they, Matthew? Concerning the law of loving God and loving others, I don’t know why you pursue this difference. John made it clear that if we don’t do one, we don’t do the other, right?

      2. So you reject the Proverbs as Scripture, as well as Paul’s writings. I assume Ecclesiastes doesn’t make the cut nor the Song of Solomon. Anything else?

      3. While I agree with John’s opinion, that dodges the issue. According to the words of Jesus, twice, speaking on topic in context in complete consecutive sentences, which one of the two is the “Most Important” one?

        Jesus gave a straight answer, and He didn’t make up something new – He quoted two specific commandments in the Law, (the same two commandments, twice.)

        I made a list of terms that I think you “mix and match” with the term “Scripture” as all basically interchangeable. I want to confirm – is that your view?
        https://jlthomson.wordpress.com/2017/05/15/my-woe-is-me-i-dont-belong-in-the-tradtional-or-whatever-you-call-it-church-rant/#comment-725

        According to observant Jews, even today,
        the “Old Testament” is divided into 3 parts, in order of priority.
        They never taught us this at seminary.
        .1) Torah – The Law of Moses – first 5 Books
        .2) Nabi’im -The Prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Major & Minor)
        .3) Kethuvim – The Writings or “Scripture’ – Psalms, Proverbs, other wisdom literature, Chronicles, Job and the rest – the last, and least important part of the Hebrew Scriptures.

        Jews use the acronym TaNaKh to refer to these 3 sections.

      4. You “agree with John’s opinion”? Are John’s letters also not Scripture? If you believe they are, they are not John’s “opinion.” Anyway, in regards to your list, to start with, I don’t believe that today, God’s/Jesus’/the Holy Spirit’s voice, holds the same authority as the received canon.

      5. The terms “canon” and “Bible” don’t appear in the text of the 66 Books of our Bible – (nor do “inerrancy” or “infallibility” – as uncomfortable as that is for us to accept, it’s a fact about the text. Those words are traditions of men.)
        You are still equating all those words with each other, mixing and matching, swapping back and forth as if they all mean the same thing –
        Scripture = Bible = canon = This Book of the Law = This Book of Prophecy = The Law = The Law and The Prophets = The Word of God.

        No one in the pages of the Bible ever said that all Scripture is EQUAL.
        Not even Paul said that.

        As for me,
        “I don’t believe that today, God’s/Jesus’/the Holy Spirit’s voice, holds the same authority as”……
        The words of Jesus recorded by the Apostles He appointed –
        in terms of Bible text, that means the “Red Letters” in Matthew, John, and Revelation, (with Mark very close behind.)

        I can back up my opinion for this view chapter and verse from the Bible. And it is not so different from the Orthodox view for almost 2000 years, which elevates the 4 Gospels above all other Scripture.

  6. To borrow a quote from you,
    I think the Church in Corinth had a big problem with it’s leader
    “quoting Scripture passages out of context. With top-down, hierarchical leadership. With enormous need for money. ”

    And many Evangelicals (and other “Christian leaders”) today are imitating the bad example of this carnal leader.
    Do you agree?

  7. I am coming in at the end of your last two replies which I haven’t read, so I don’t know if you identified the carnal leader in Corinth or not. Should I assume you’re referring to Paul? If you are, no, I do not agree that Paul is like the leaders/pastors in today’s church landscape. He suffered for Jesus. He said he was “not anything,” as were Peter and Apollos. He was not greedy for gain but worked with his hands. But, Matthew, my wife and I are off to church, our little gathering at a coffee shop. May the Lord bless you today.

    1. Jim
      Let’s not ASSUME – for when we assume, we make an ASS of U and ME.
      Let’s open our Bibles and do a case study of a limited number of specific texts, and state facts about what is in the text and what is not.

      Luke’s biography of Paul in Acts (the portion relevant to Corinth is less than two chapters)
      and
      Paul’s two letters to the Church in Corinth.

      To get the conversation rolling,

      .1) Who was primarily responsible for founding the Church in Corinth?
      .2) How long was he there?
      .3) Why did he leave?
      .4) Who did he appoint locally in Corinth to take over, since, according to Paul, twice, “an elder must be hospitable”?
      .5) Can you be hospitable without being physically present?

  8. Dear JL
    Blessing to you in the name of Jesus.
    I read through your entire original post above. Your general observations about the state of the thinking and practice in nominal “Christian Churches” today is right on target, but you have a huge blind spot.
    You are missing the underlying root cause, and you have the same evil root yourself – you quote Paul – and only Paul – 3 times, in long passages. You are following Paul.
    You quote NOTHING from Jesus, from the Gospels, from the Torah or The Prophets. Only Paul.
    You are singing the song of…..

    BOSS PAUL THE PHARISEE
    [sing it to the tune of “Rapture” by Blondie]

    I’m Boss Paul, the Pharisee
    My hypocrisy’s plain for the world to see
    I travel the land and travel the sea
    to make a convert who is just like ME

    “All have sinned” – we know that’s true
    but it never means ME – it only means YOU
    My sins are all theoretical
    “I’m the worst of sinners”- but don’t ask where

    To be more like Jesus is what some strive
    except for me – I’ve already arrived
    I’m the perfect model since the road to Damascus
    What were Paul’s sins? Don’t ask us!

    I justify everything I do
    If I testify about myself it MUST be true
    I’m the only man in all history
    whose testimony doesn’t need two or three

    If I did something it MUST be right
    Don’t use the Scripture to shed any light
    Don’t do as I say, do as I do
    and then you can be a Pharisee too.

    1. Matthew, you’re the third personage to inform me that I am evil. The first two were Satan and the Lord God Almighty. They both had their galaxy of remedies, and you have yours. May the Lord bless you.

      1. I’m not say YOU are evil – I’m saying you have the same evil ROOT – namely, the voice of Paul, which has replaced the voice of God for you, and many other people. Paul’s voice overrides the voice of Jesus for you at this point in time.

        I’ve quoted various passages of the Bible to back up my points. Why not open your Bible and interact? Maybe you can begin be simply acknowledging the obvious truth about who was clearly the leader of the Church in Corinth. You wrote books based on this subject, no? It’s not “off topic” to ask who was in charge of the church is it?

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